I2P dev meeting

--- Log opened Tue Nov 26 22:43:56 2002 22:44 -!- Topic for #iip-dev: IIP meeting | logs: http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/ | sneak rc3 preview for unix http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/iip-1.1-rc3-mids1.tgz | please give feedback 22:44 [Users #iip-dev] 22:44 [ CwZ|away] [ Disposable] [ icepick] [ logger] [ pox] [ UserX] 22:44 -!- Irssi: #iip-dev: Total of 6 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 6 normal] 22:44 -!- Irssi: Join to #iip-dev was synced in 2 secs 22:44 < logger> test 23:35 < nop> IIP dev meeting in 25 minutes, Special appearance by Capn' crunch aka John Draper 23:36 < Disposable> cool 23:36 < Disposable> the famous capncrunch 23:36 < Disposable> :P 23:36 < nop> yes 23:37 < nop> friend of mine 23:37 < nop> ;) 23:37 < Disposable> yeah? 23:37 < nop> he's working on porting iip to mac os 9 23:37 < Disposable> cool 23:37 < ptsc> unfortunately i'm off to do laundry but will lurk 23:37 < nop> ok 23:37 < ptsc> nop, why not an os x.2 clean version? 23:37 * Disposable is listening to The Beets - Killer Tofu 23:37 < nop> what? 23:37 < nop> ptsc, we have os x versions 23:37 < Disposable> hmmm 23:37 < nop> we need os 9 23:38 < nop> because there are still a lot of people on it 23:38 < ptsc> ah, okay. i was considering getting a mac that could run os x 23:38 < nop> yes 23:38 < nop> but only 20% of mac users have switched to X 23:38 < ptsc> in my case, i'd be switching to mac specifically *because* of x 23:39 < Disposable> lol 23:39 < Disposable> yeah 23:39 < Disposable> it looks so sweet 23:39 < Disposable> :) 23:39 < Disposable> i wunna try it 23:39 < Rain> "unix for users done right" some feel 23:39 < ptsc> i saw it at a friend's house who has been a mac freak for ages 23:39 < ptsc> and it just looks awesome 23:39 < ptsc> plus they brought back the NeXT-style file browser 23:39 < ptsc> which has always ruled 23:39 < ptsc> ok bbl 23:39 < Rain> "the first lickable interface", according to mr jobs. 23:40 < ptsc> ok bbl 23:41 < Disposable> :/ 23:48 < Disposable> wb --- Day changed Wed Nov 27 2002 00:00 < nemesis> blubb 00:00 < nemesis> 23 UTC 00:00 < nop> ok 00:00 < nop> welcome to the 21st iip meeting 00:01 < nop> on the agenda 00:01 < nop> 1) welcome 00:01 < nop> 2) why rc3 isn't released yet 00:01 < nop> 3) when will it be released 00:01 < nop> 4) OS 9 port by Cap'n Crunch 00:01 < nop> 5) Questions and comments 00:02 < nop> ok 00:02 < nop> welcome 00:02 < nop> :) 00:02 < nop> codeshark is out of the country on business, and will be back later this week 00:02 < nop> he's our release coordinator 00:02 < nop> and if he's not back shortly, mids and I will arrange the release candidate 00:02 < nop> and do it that way by friday 00:02 < Aprogas> one should only accept the function of release coordinator, if one knows to have time for that function 00:02 < nop> when will it be released, friday at latest 00:03 < nop> comments are saved for last 00:03 < nop> thnx though aprogas 00:03 < Aprogas> ok 00:03 < nop> ok, os 9 port, Cap'n Crunch has been working (along with his friend) on porting IIP to mac os 9 users 00:04 < nop> hopefully, he will be on here shortly to give us some detail 00:04 < nop> if not I'll send out an email 00:04 < nop> to iip-dev with the latest from him 00:04 < nop> oh speak of the devil 00:04 < crunchman> Ok, I'm on 00:04 < nop> Hi crunch 00:04 < Aprogas> nop: that must be bpb in disguise 00:04 < nop> can you give us a quick detail of what's going on with os 9 00:04 < crunchman> Of course I didn't get the chance to read over the source so I can bring up my issues. 00:05 < nop> k 00:05 < crunchman> yes - I can. 00:05 < nop> the floor is yours, take it away 00:05 < crunchman> basically - the way IIP was written, it's a CAAN OF WORMS if I have to use the structures you are already using. 00:06 < crunchman> There is NO discrete seperation between the GUI and the guts. 00:06 < crunchman> Let me explain. 00:06 < crunchman> It is VERY baised towards WinBlows. 00:06 < crunchman> As you know, the Mac uses resources for the GUI components. 00:07 < crunchman> I need to examine the code now, and would like to take a few mins to go over my notes, so I can be more specific. 00:07 < nop> ok 00:07 < nop> either way, we can cover that later, but Crunch is working on the os 9, and we will aid him with what we can so that it may be not so tedious a task 00:08 < nop> reasons for the port, is only 20% of mac users have made the switch to os x 00:08 < nop> they still rely on os 9 00:08 < nop> so a lot of mac os users donated money towards this goal 00:08 < nop> and any other donations are welcome to assist crunch for his time on this project 00:09 < nop> questions and comments from iip users etc 00:09 < nop> ? 00:09 * Disposable is listening to Creedence Clearwater Revival - Fortunate Son 00:09 < Aprogas> comment: one should only accept the function of release coordinator, if one knows to have time for that function 00:09 < Rain> question: what will be new in rc3 00:09 < Rain> ? 00:09 < nop> mainly bug fixes, hold, I'll get the changelog 00:09 < Aprogas> /exec -o cat ChangeLog | head -200 00:10 < bpb> question: since when does IIP get donations? 00:10 < crunchman> bob cant get on 00:10 < nop> + iip1.1-rc3: 00:10 < nop> + - Display of version number for windows (menu option) and unix (command line). 00:10 < nop> + - Random number generation fix. 00:10 < nop> + - IIP network connections are no longer paused while in the setup screen. 00:10 < nop> + - Now exits if it can't bind to a socket at startup. 00:10 < nop> + Windows now displays a message box informing that it can't bind to port. 00:10 < nop> + - Several bugfixes and one memory leak fixed. 00:10 < crunchman> i 00:10 < nop> + 00:10 < crunchman> im on phone - helping him 00:10 < crunchman> hold on 00:10 < nop> k 00:10 < nop> that is the changelog 00:11 < Aprogas> comment: women are always late 00:11 < crunchman> hold on - still on phone w/ bob 00:11 < Rain> ok, thanks. 00:11 < nop> haha 00:11 < nop> ok meeting is officially over 00:11 < bpb> if he can't get iip to work, he could connect to my node 00:11 < Aprogas> huh ? 00:12 < nop> I will resume talks with crunch in here 00:12 < athena> okay, so i can slap aprogas now? 00:12 < Aprogas> but maybe i still had questions or commens 00:12 < bpb> :) 00:12 < nop> aprogas 00:12 < nop> do you have any more questions 00:12 < Aprogas> am i being ignored? 00:12 < nop> or comments 00:12 < nop> that pertains to IIP 00:12 < Rain> is the "sneak release" the same as the final one, and will i dare running it on a public proxy at this stage? 00:12 < crunchman> meeting is over? - but we havent even gotten on yet! 00:12 < Aprogas> where is mids? 00:12 < bpb> crunchman: that's nop for you... 00:12 < nop> crunch we can still talk in here 00:12 < Aprogas> no mids no meeting 00:12 < crunchman> Bob is trying to get on - and yet the meeting is now over? 00:12 < nop> rain sneak is the same yes 00:12 < nemesis> hm... nop, i use blackbox under windows xp, why theres no cmd line version of IIP out? 00:12 < nemesis> that i can use as an service.. 00:12 < crunchman> bpb - I have no clue what you mean by "crunchman: that's nop for you" 00:12 < Aprogas> bpb means nothing with it 00:12 < Aprogas> he loves to confuse people 00:13 < nop> well, nemesis iip -d might be able to do that for you 00:13 < crunchman> still trying to get bob logged in. 00:13 < bpb> crunchman: he's cutting off the meeting after it hasn't begun 00:13 < nop> the "official" meeting is over 00:13 < Disposable> hehe 00:13 < nop> other than comments 00:13 < crunchman> sorry I couldn't get on sooner. 00:13 < Rain> ok, so i might as well de-install the rc2 proxy i recently installed today, and replace it with rc3, no risk? 00:13 < Aprogas> nop: will there be an rc4 or even rc5, and when are they expected, and when is iip 1.1 expected? 00:13 < nop> rc3 should be final before 1.1 00:13 < nop> unless 00:14 < Aprogas> of course the release candidate comes before the release 00:14 < crunchman> Could someone call bob on phone and help him 00:14 < nop> unless major bugs were found 00:14 < nemesis> hm.... 00:14 < Aprogas> nop: why do i get the idea you forget what a rc is all the time ? 00:14 < nemesis> nop, must i shutdown my current iip for -d? 00:14 < Aprogas> nop: so when are 1.1 and 1.1-rc3 expected? 00:14 * bpb remembers when decentralized 2.0 was expected ;) 00:14 < nemesis> crunchman: help with what? 00:15 < crunchman> bob cant get on this IRC server. 00:15 < crunchman> I tried to help him - I gave up. 00:15 * Aprogas remembers saying that iip 1.1 would be released the day after freenet 0.5 00:15 < crunchman> I asked Lance to help him get on. 00:15 < Aprogas> crunchman: what kind of error does he get ? 00:15 < crunchman> When he's on... he can give you guys an update in HIS progress. 00:16 * Disposable is listening to Creedence Clearwater Revival - Susie Q 00:16 < crunchman> I don't know - I didnt get chance to ask him - sorry. 00:16 < nemesis> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah *crying* 00:16 < nemesis> mids 00:16 < nemesis> i have 5 iip process running... 00:16 < crunchman> I REALLY would like to go off and re-examine the IIP work I did - so I can answer intellegent questions on the issues I want to bring up. 00:16 < nemesis> fuck it *grrr* 00:16 < crunchman> but I want BOB up here first. 00:17 < crunchman> because he also has to explain HIS part in the project 00:17 < Aprogas> it would be useful if we would know what kind of problem he has with connecting to here 00:17 < crunchman> I think he will address the group on his "socket" problems. 00:17 < Aprogas> is he using his own isproxy or yours? 00:17 < crunchman> Nop is talking to him on the phone right now - i hope.; 00:18 < crunchman> Bob has a Mac... I think he's using ircle 00:18 < crunchman> this is what I'm using right now. 00:18 < nop> I am 00:18 < nop> athena 00:18 * Kyfhon remembers trying that vile thing in an emulator 00:18 < Disposable> question: primary mac developeman will before os 9 ? 00:18 < nop> he's using athena 00:18 < crunchman> ok, i'll be right back. 00:18 < nemesis> re.... 00:18 < nemesis> are no pid implented in iip yet? 00:18 < nemesis> or cmd line output... 00:19 < nop> crunch, his inet connection is acting up 00:19 < nemesis> i always started a new instance with iip -d or -h or -? and ? 00:19 < Aprogas> maybe he could come tomorrow, or at next week's meeting then 00:20 < bpb> well, captn crunch made a atleast celebrity appearance today. 00:20 < bpb> err 00:20 < Aprogas> never heard of him, im from the pentium generation