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Quick recap

Present: Addic, al-jebr, Ambience, ChZEROHag, Delly, Ehud, hezekiah, hifi, jrand0m, LeerokLacerta, lonelynerd, luckypunk, mids, Neo, nop, qriff, Rain, sahara, thecrypto, thetower, UserX, wilde

Meeting Log

--> You are now talking on #iip-dev --- Topic for #iip-dev is IIP Meeting - logfiles: http://wiki.invisiblenet.net/?Meetings - http://www.invisiblenet.net/research/ it's 21:13 <-- wilde has quit (Ping timeout) --- Trent@anon.iip gives channel operator status to UserX ok !time al-jebr: 00:21 here I believe everyone has settled Let's go. :) 11:06 here let's start anyone get my agenda so they can play it back I forgot the order <-- leenookx has quit (Ping timeout) my clock is 15 minutes ahead :) --> hifi (~MetroPipe@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev on the agenda 1) Welcome 2)Our Goodbyes 3)IIP development now 4) IIP development restructuring proposal actually its xx:13 everywhere... 5) Recruiting for services to aid with IIP <-- Delly has quit (Ping timeout) 6) comments suggestions and people who want to help 23:05:28 <@nop> 1) Welcome 23:05:38 <@nop> 2)Our Goodbyes 23:05:43 <@nop> 3)IIP development now 23:05:56 <@nop> 4) IIP development restructuring proposal 23:06:16 <@nop> 5) Recruiting for services to aid with IIP 23:06:53 <@nop> 6) comments suggestions and people who want to help wow, flood in here ;) pl Out goodbyes? lol TROLLS !!! Ok, welcome all let's settle down now :) . settled --> wilde (~anon@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev settled anyone logging? --> thecrypto (~thecrypto@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev I am (sort of). mids should be. * jrand0m logs at all times let's go! ok nop: Agenda item number 2? Our goodbyes Bye! where is the livelog? Ok, mids has come to a point where he is moving to other projects --> Phiberoptika (~none@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev After having worked for IIP for more than I year now, I have decided to resign as IIP developer. Awww. It has been fun and an educative experience but it is time to move on, refresh the spirit and shuffle the cards. Will you still be online/around? I'll keep running Trent as long as needed and possible. Yes, I do plan to stay around as user --> ntk (~blob@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev * nop is in the corner sobbing oh, ah hem many thanks mids, iip w/out trent would be a pita It's so sad. yes thank you mids for all your workup work Although I'll be off on vacation soon :) . --- mids removes channel operator status from mids :D Seem's like you've done a great job. :) ..how symbolic.. we love you mids!!! you hear that that was my window opening we all do! fan base out there --> w (~w@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev --- nop is now known as we lol, yep. :D * we love you mids Go mids go! rofl --> leenookx (~leenookx@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev --- LeerokLacerta has changed the topic to: IIP Meeting - logfiles: http://wiki.invisiblenet.net/?Meetings - http://www.invisiblenet.net/research/ | We love you mids! weeeeee are the chaaaampins, my frieeeennnndd... yes mids, thanks for all your input, collaboration and hard work in code and doing general developer things for IIP. --- we is now known as nop * mids bows * Ehud stands up and gives a standing ovation to the commitment, perseverence, effort, and good hard code that mids has given the project. yeah mids take your toys and go to tigertown lol and don't forget the PR and web management he's been a vital aspect to IIP getting it this far would have been hard without his work --> ChZEROHag (hag@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev hifi bitches with mids over trolling issue <-- hezekiah has quit (Ping timeout) heh hifi --> hezekiah (~hezekiah@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev --- Trent@anon.iip gives channel operator status to hezekiah Back. :) Yay. (And in case anyone doubted, Hezekiah == Ehud.) i never used frucking trent and don't know what mids did . i only troll . obviously your hezekiah@anon.iip gave it away <-- Ehud has quit (Ping timeout) Ugh Item number 3? (If we're all done sobbing yet ...) and i never was pingouted in my life . I am the most disciplined user of IIP . 3)IIP development now heh Ok everyone! Shhh. Back on track! BUT I CRY that MIDS GO !!! ok . IIP development. Whats the current status of that code snapshot release? That was supposed to happen today? Well, unless UserX has an objection to the tarball I made, it's done. Ok. Post it on the wiki? UserX? Were there any problems with the tarball? no problems with the tarball Yes, but are there any windows compilations? OK1 http://invisiblenet.net/hezekiah Get your tarballs there! there hasn't been a windows compilation on the windows version yet hm "tarballs" sound like some sort of food... * luckypunk will try and make one. --- hezekiah has changed the topic to: IIP Meeting - logfiles: http://wiki.invisiblenet.net/?Meetings - http://www.invisiblenet.net/research/ - tarballs of the 'unstable' development release are at http://invisiblenet.net/hezekiah | We love you mids! They are. For GCC. lol Sticky food. There is one 'documented bug'. I can compile a win32 version if you'd like So, could you give a quick describtion of what is new in this release? If you run isproxy, and it fails to bind the port, then it will /not/ abort. It will just sit there wasting memory. Rain: That's too much for me to handle (not to mention I don't even _know_ all the differences). this one I assume: iip-1.2-dev1.tar.bz2 01-Jul-2003 01:45 292k tar archive ? UserX could give a much better description UserX? hezekiah/UserX can we get a changelog of the differences by chance that may be a day before that gets done Ambience: Yup! Or the Gziped one. There the same tarball. because there are a log of changes Oh, and has the expired IIP signing-key been replaced? hezekiah: ok nop: I joined IIP after the development branch was already in progress. --> Ehud (~hezekiah@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev Rain: No. I had to use my GPG key. no one has tested the compile of this dev branch in win32 have they? Hey, is this src is CVS? Rain: I couldn't contact anyone who had the IIP release key. luckypunk: Yes. * luckypunk has, but his system didn't work for it. hezekiah: Ok, roger. changes: multi-threading, bignum support via openSSL or GMP, numerous inmprovements to the memory management system luckypunk: Right now that tarball is a copy of what you get when you check out the hezekiah-dev branch from CVS and run 'make dist-bzip2'. Gah! I hate windows. UserX: niceties ;) And of course there are other internal changes that only the developers see. :) just as a question for the qurious... what defines the holder for "Trent"... One simple thing is that now that BigNum is implemented using either GMP or SSL, login is a LOT faster. May i mention a IIP quirk i noticed earlier today? * luckypunk guesses its a yes. at wiki search button is absent . only window to type in but nowhere to click lol . hit enter. and what about channel/nick expiration... --- Ehud is now known as logger registration that is... Ok, it seems to me like you cannot start isproxy from a /path/to/isproxy command, but intead have to do a cd /path/to and then do a ./isproxy Rain: Let me guess ... you get a configuration screen or a request for entropy, right? * jrand0m has a feeling this will be a very.long.meeting Is that intentional, or just some quirk of my local system? hezekiah: yes. Rain: You need to make a .iip subdirectory in your home directory. It claims that the conf-file is not found. with my .conf file? Rain: If no such directory exists, isproxy will always look for the config files in the current directory --> AmishOne (amishone@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev Ahh. Of course. OK ... nop? Was there anything else for item 3? have we tested it for win32 compile wise I haven't. UserX: ? no I will test it this week then luckypunk, tried doing hezekiah-dev recently and complained for compile errors. that's key to maintain portability I suspect there might be problems. * luckypunk tried, it balked. Yup. There are problems. I'll have to leave for the more dominant one is ordering me to and I have no choice here. So I'll be off to bed, but will be logging #iip-dev for future reference. see ya guys! later bye Bye, Ambience. :) i'll be back. <--gone (log on) ok this topic is done next on agenda what's 4? 4) IIP development restructuring proposal ok we had a meeting about a discussion and proposal brought to us by jrand0m for the future development and as well I have had a lot of privmessages directed at me for requests to focus on an arbitrary framework, instead of IRC specific aka a framework that supports IRC + a whole lot more so the want is obviously there and the developers definitely want to go there as well Amen! the question of how to go about doing it and how to make the most productive use of our developers is up in the air XML is his framework site available to everybody? this isn't specifically about language create a communications protocol ok, please let me finish I've started on that somewhere... then we can comment My apologies I'm a bit in and out at the moment ok, no prob We are at a stage where there is discussion of an arbitrary communications protocol specifically for anonymous and secure communication at this point jrand0m, any chance we can post the logs of #iip-future meeting sure perhaps those zips I sent you so people don't have to struggle through freenet for the other pages too ok hold please (btw, the logs were unedited, so expect the usual occational banter) lol. Yup! You'll get to see exactly how much I DON'T know about p2p networks! lol heh (And they'll probably have my conspiracy theories about nop too! So be sure to read the logs! ;-) ) <-- logger has quit (Ping timeout) Ugh ok the logs will be a lot to read. can someone summarizze for the meeting what was covered and some key points of all this? http://office.invisiblenet.net/iip_future.zip and At this point, the 'stable' release is being more unstable than the 'unstable' one!! Urg. http://office.invisiblenet.net/meetingPrepnotes.zip http://office.invisiblenet.net/jrand0mnetwork_protocol.txt meetingPrepnotes.zip is a small doc that summarizes the meeting, and the meeting was basically "ok, any thoughts?". <-- Delly has quit (EOF From client) essentially, the proposal is to get going on a generic secure anonymous message based system, and run iip on top of that is there a zip with anonCommFramework too? I didn't see that jrand0m can you zip and send I'll post to site sure, h/o <-- Phiberoptika has quit (* ciaito mua mua *) what is anonCommFramework? uber-quick summary of the meeting in iip_future.zip is "ok, here's the proposal, any comments?" and comments were basically "ok, can IIP work as planned on this? if you're on freenet, anonCommFramework is at SSK@MQNd5lT-X5wHA4vONvtVadi6q1IPAgM/anonCommFramework/2// * jrand0m is sending nop a zip of that momentarily Did you discuss support for PGP-based nyms? ah hem, this is early discussions <-- ChZEROHag has quit (Ping timeout) no, endpoints in the framework are not nym based, they're idents Right. So nyms an higher level. are (and for lots of reasons, they shouldn't be long term idents like nyms) yes I was just thinking of something like trent with PGP signarute auth. trent is central central=bad --> logger (~hezekiah@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev briefly, anonCommFramework is a meta-network. a generic set of protocols & structures that an anonymous communication network could use to interoperate to provide militant grade anonymity what's the one sentence explanation of your ideas on network topology? --> ChZEROHag (~hag@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev that was fun --> Delly (dedede@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev mids: Yea. I meant similar services. what about having to pay with hashcash to send data? couldn't that help against flooding? wilde> heterogeneous. no one answer solves all problems. interoperate, balancing latency, bandwidth, anonymity, and reliability to provide the user's needs still in 4) ? Delly: Yup thx I think when the ircd is removed from the equation, we'll have far better options than (hash|think|real)cash jrand0m: any luck sending ;) uploading to hush now. ChZEROHag> anonCommFramework has built in support for providing network use authorization credentials There has been a lot of talk of IIP-Freenet interoparability. Will that fit into the framework, or are we talking application-level again? come again? app level what we're discussing is splitting iip into two parts - the irc part, and the message based secure anonymous network one solution could be: jrand0m: k. Application <-> SOCKS5 Proxy Interface <-> Onion Wrapper <-> Onion Router 1 <-> ... <-> Onion Router N <-> Exit Relay <-> Public Server building a DHT on top of the message layer should be fairly easy DHT? distributed hash table (ala freenet) ok, jrand0m let me clarify wilde: I think the plan is to design it such that the 'public server' could be removed from the equation at some point are we talking about splitting irc, or merging to focus on anonymity framework well, given unlimited # of developers, splitting and doing both (well, 3 things ;) in parallel. what I mean is that the irc part is application layer given reality, there's prolly only enough dev time to get the comm system running first, then iip on top right exactly and since we have a somewhat viable network working with IIP irc is just another app running on it then the idea should be is to have developers start focusing on framework aspects ChZEROHag: ok, what I suggested is an anonymizing layer for regular internet traffic, not a seperate network (This could get fun.) wilde there are weaknesses to that just to let you know aka the clear text on the outer ends <-- AmishOne has quit (EOF From client) nop: yes, so all connections should be encrypted to the ends we have an effort as well to have anonymous web browsing possible with this network yes. it must be able to operate without ever leaving the mixnet but it is not as real time direct as your proposal wilde it uses some time delay tactics with caching etc timing attacks are a serious threat to anonymity I WANT ANONYMISER BASED on IIP !! I DON"t TRUST OTHER ANONYSERS THEY ARE FBI TRAPs !! http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/anonCommFramework/ hifi, this isn't changing IIP, this is moving us forward thanks mids heh word mids, my moz is hanging ok although independant mixnets are cool, the real killer apps will probably be general ip traffic anonymizers wilde, they are myths killer apps? no <-- thetower has quit (EOF From client) wilde> that could be a service built on top of the comm layer general ip traffic anonymizers or ip traffic anonymizers? so far they don't exist they exist in papers only --> thetower (none@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev if you build an anonymizing service on top of the comm layer, however, your outbound routers will get shut down quickly Haha, I just noticed I wasn't port forwarding. Oop, sorry, wrong chan nop: what about the ZKS system? is it still around? and working nope, bad business few people paid but the framework seemed to work, but all nodes were ZKS:s paid relays wilde but they were internal and it wasn't complete it still had certain vulnerabilities it was a start I met Ian Goldberg at CodeCon 2k2, and he himself admitted it was incomplete to what he desired yes, everything has vulnerabilities, we just raise the cost of tracing dramatically right, after the mixnet is up and running, i'd like to see wilde offer generic outbound proxy services. that'd be cool (sincerely) jrand0m: but again the ultimate would be using that magic mirror concept for optimum protection Probably the hardest option, but wouldn't freenet be a good framework to build from? wilde, maybe you and I can discuss this in another forum at some point but in any case, the network must be built first Or is that not what we're discussing? ChZEROHag> no. freenet doesn't provide hard anonymity aah I should try paying attention ok, moving forward UserX you still here nop: yes, if you have decided on topology there is no need to discuss this in public I'm still here well it's application layer, so that comes after net design etc ok where did we leave off at #iip-future meeting <-- hezekiah has quit (Ping timeout) let's start there --- logger is now known as Ehud * nop is catching up on the meeting logs [04:31] I think we're back to your question. can / should the irc functionality move forward as its going or move towards this mixnet. there are significant benefits to move towards the mixnet, but some aspects of the irc side seem to require some redesign to operate on it. [04:31] the right way for the irc development to go is not for me to say Basically, UserX had some thinking to do about wether IIP could run satisfactorily on the mixnet. nite all <-- mids (mids@anon.iip) has left #iip-dev (mids) Would it not be an idea to create a replacement irc in parallel with a mixnet? After all it's going to be damn hard to use a normal ircd ChZEROHag> given infinite # devs, yes ok ChZEROHag silence please :) Assume infinite devs Oh is this not a question bit? --> hezekiah (hezekiah@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev not yet Unfortuantlely I haven't had time to seriously sit down and think about how your proposal would fit in with IIP oh oops just want to get into the discussion well UserX> think of the mixnet as a socket let me suggest something do we agree that our goal is not just IRC ? well it's a great idea sure nop: Beyond all doubts, I agree that the goal is an anonymous network. doing something traffic-intensive would have the potential to ruin the whole project nop: IRC is just a starting point. ok, well what we should look at is this NOT doing something traffic intensive has the potential to get us to overlook problems :) instead of saying IIP doesn't fit or it does fit let's look at what modifications need to be made for irc to fit with this mixnet, whether it's a mod to the mixnet itself jrand0m: hmm for instance UserX has a vision of using channels as endpoints Jrand0m calls them idents are they having subtle differences or are they largely different there's substance to those differences. can we review that on both sides from jrand0m and UserX <-- hezekiah has quit (EOF From client) actually read the log nevermind ;) --> hezekiah (hezekiah@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev the hesitancy I have w/ sending messages to a channel ident and having that channel redistribute it to members is that the channel gets plaintext how does it get plaintext? instead, I'd suggest having a channel contain just the channel info (modes, users, topic, etc) the channel is just an application running on one (well, 3+) routers listening to one (well, 3+) identities. when you /msg a channel, you send a message to that identity (application). it then resends it out to the N users in the channel, encrypted to each well I had a proposal for that that would have the channel not contain plaintext directly at least, without adding a channel key (which would be managed by the channel application itself, which defeats the point) well we were having channel keys for private channels and pub channels are public anyway right. there may be ways around it. y'all know more about irc than I do. there are other ways that don't require going this route though see the neat thing with message channels is this you scale slightly better than trying to find all idents to send to directly <-- luckypunk has quit (Ping timeout) --> dd0c (dd0c@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev I'm not sure you scale better, but you do redistribute the load (we can find idents via O(log(n))) --> sahara (~sahara@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev but thats neither here nor there, this is application layer design ;) right all we need to do, imho, is find some workable ways that *could* operate on the comm layer and then leave it to the wayside until we get there jrand0m: messages sent to channels are encrypted with a channel key that is different to the channel's identity. a channel server can't decrypt a message unless it has come across the key by othermeans did I miss the meeting? you've got some ways that could work, it sounds like, right? UserX> how does a user joining a channel get the key? sahara: Nope. You're right in the middle of it! :) it's a key exchange with whom nop? brand new user joining #anonymous, and the app containing the list of users on #anonymous doesn't have the key (As userx said) (all I'm saying is there's a way to get all the functionality and still avoid having a channel key) jrand0m: with public channels it is derived from the channel name. with private channels the user either creates one or a someone gives them the keys to the channel 'k, cool so apps managing public channels can read the plaintext (by deriving from the channel name) (which is prolly fine) right jrand0m: if the apps encrypt the plaintext to each recepient, will it scale well? yes wilde, perhaps better (depending on the algorithm used to nominate channel managers) (though it will potentially have a nonserialized delivery) ((though i think thats the case with normal irc anyway)) <-- thecrypto has quit (Ping timeout) but, getting back on to the question - nop, what do we hope to have decided by the end of the discussion of #4? <-- Neo has quit (Ping timeout) --> d (~sahara@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev well <-- sahara has quit (EOF From client) simple site , problem is i am tech blond but want good things lol I was hoping that we could re-organize, but this is gonna be a discussion for later sorry OOPS UserX <-- d has quit (Client exiting) how long will you need to think about certain aspects, and maybe doc them up as a concern list hard to say. maybe a week what I'm thinking jrand0m is that a lot of this needs sorting out, rather than just plowing into it, or we'll end up at the beginning with nothing to show so let's push a week into this and see what concerns are coming into play because again we want an adaptable mixnet any application should be able to survive absolutely thats the point of the anon comm framework <-- wilde has quit () ok, so let's put this off a week, and focus on some realistic proposals that can fit all of our needs you say "send message M to location L" and it magically, securely, anonymously gets delivered but magic is one thing science is another of course you know that :) the magic is from the app level's perspective ;) yes understood the science is in that 15 page anonCommFramework/2// ;) ok lol UserX, if you can get that in a week that would be helpful ? I'll aim at revamping the docs & getting comm layer network design ready for then so we can hit the ground running well we haven't agreed on certain aspects I think that still should be hashed out what, in the network layer, haven't we agreed on? personally I agree that maybe you post your anonCommFramework on iip-dev and have it reviewed and commented * jrand0m isn't on iip-dev So, meeting again next tuesday, same bat-time, same bat-channel? what haven't we agreed on is whether it can support all applications jrand0m: Just post to iip-dev@invisiblenet.net . Rain: We are on item #4. There are still other items to go. :) its ~800k. if someone could post the URL to mids' mirror that'd be cool argh re about services, i think if IIP become more easier and friendly, we will see more users and more nodes. it's why i'm making script for mIRC user, one is a Trent script, allowing to use Trent and Anonymail with the mouse, the other is a script allowing to transfer file over iip, staying anonymous (using uuencoding). The "protocol" used is easy and could be done for lot's irc clients with scripting support. And so everybody could transfer little files, even between di nop> I'm 100% certain it can support all applications. hezekiah: Right. My missunderstanding. this layer has been used for over a decade in hundreds of industries was my thought of the day well then where do we not agree if Irc is an issue, then how is it adaptable? it isn't an issue y'all just don't understand the layer's abstraction ;) Delly: i have a perl script that allows one to use ssh/telnet/etc over irc (really, think of it as a socket) lonelynerd, the goal was just to enhance mirc for iip network Delly: yeah, but if you use base64, i think it's compatible with this one could be possible tu use it ok, we ready for #5 yet? nop? <-- hezekiah has quit (Client exiting) oups i thought it was 5) ! There's a 5? --> hezekiah (hezekiah@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev <-- hezekiah has quit (Client exiting) --> hezekiah (hezekiah@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev sorry delly you guys this is off topic please reserve your conversation outside this channel --> hezekiah_ (~hezekiah@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev <-- hezekiah has quit (EOF From client) well jrand0m --- hezekiah_ is now known as hezekiah before I agree to go to 5 the problem I'm seeing is UserX has a voice as well --- Trent@anon.iip gives channel operator status to hezekiah of course and if he sees logistical problems I believe they should be heard so you can't just say, hey it's gonna work it has to be "solidly" agreed on both ends aka he needs convincing right, but I'm not going to sit on my thumbs waiting for him to doc them up. if he does come up with some problems in a week, fantastic, and we'll revise accordingly or he needs to convine you but the idea is this what I'm trying to propose with this is to reorganize our dev team to get on your bandwagon with that it would put our energy in working on the network design that's the idea thus helping all of us get somewhere specific I'm not trying to slow down right, i don't expect to have a V1.0 final protocol spec next week. last night I downloaded about 50 new articles off citeseer to do some more research ok so can we post your proposal to iip-dev and get some review coo' also I advise on your own to propose it on cryptography@metzdowd.com which will get some serious review sounds good ok UserX, you there i'm here ok, so jrand0m will work on protocol spec, and can I assume you'll come up with a concerns list or some additives to the protocol? yes ok, let's resume this in a week what was 5? sorry If I'm being a pain just want to organize it to make sure we're all on same page recruiting for services...? 5) Recruiting for services to aid with IIP ok yes since mids departure and cohesions return we are possibly looking for others to contribute to IIP in some aspect this does not mean you have to be a hardcore core developer but additives like maybe a web maintainer would be good, some PR would be good luckypunk volunteered to manage the website. I wanna help/take over the IIP website. :D and if more people would like to hop on with the upcoming project that jrand0m is proposing wikked even if you just want to review the protocol that is more than enough help the reality is this we have a lot of developers with real time jobs and it is consuming them at the moment and any additional help is wanted since this is a huge endeavor to take IIP to where it needs to be aka InvisibleNet at some point real life jobs ;) anyway the idea is it would be cool if people would love to add to this project in some ways using their skills, and I know their are some programmers out there and a few that have some spare tiem time luckypunk's reliability will have to be reviewed, no offense, I've had him offer before with help maintaining a freesite, and no luck there nop: I can understand that one. ;-) nop: He just asked me to forward the offer along because he wouldn't be here. ok nop: I did. My part's done. :) well, either way, anyone who wants to join in contact one of us either at iip@invisiblenet.net One of whom? or just by nick, hezekiah, userx, nop, I hear anyone who volutneers to help iip gets free hookers and blow What are 'hookers and blow'? ... or do I not want to know? heh hezekiah: don't ask OK. I don't want to know. :) hezekiah: enjoy your sheltered life ;) while you can cuz college is gonna be fun :) I'm enjoying it! I'm enjoying it! * jrand0m enjoys the hookers and blow ;) jrand0m: quick question * w hugs luckypunk and nop si sr? jrand0m: are you considering yourself a dev of IIP at some time soon? since you are offering a merge ;) http://www.guerrillanews.com/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=gnn&Number=182767&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&part= sorry , opps again nop> a dev of invisiblenet, but I can't contribute to iip understood IIP == invisiblenet future projects jrand0m: Good working! jrand0m: Wording. devs wanted for either to make that clear specifically cuz jrand0m could use a good team set I could take a look of the Windows code... si sr. once we get rolling into software design, there's going to be more truckloads of work than one can imagine word Addic awesome ok I will send this request on iip-dev line as well anyone interested please don't hesitate to contact was there a 6? I believe so 6) comments suggestions and people who want to help suggestion: < 1.8 hours next time :) (not that any of the topics could have been condensed any more than they were) no comments? * nop thinks everyone's asleep hehe we bored them w3wt heh, who has been working on the Windows' code this far? ok zzzzzz... UserX has made it so far portable What kind of talents are we looking for? ok ok, let me re-iterate Coders, Graphics dudes, Web devs, PR people, Web maintainers Ok, missed that. Sry. and if you can write biz plans, that helps me too :) you didn't miss I didn't go in enough detail heh <-- Ehud has quit (EOF From client) I am Born PR people Step one: Collect Underpants. translating to other languages at wiki? yes that would be great translations ok, i could do that too documentation etc <-- hezekiah has quit (Ping timeout) even organization anyone who wants to be actively involved in helping InvisibelNet/IIP I invite ppl to use IIP alll the time thnx hifi --> hezekiah (hezekiah@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev What kind of org skills? well, maybe help run the meetings, or maybe forcing us dev guys to get more docs on the protocol etc possibly organize interviews and some type of press releases some ideas for the future of promoting the use of IIP etc ok, please contact one of us if you want to help out Ok, org question, that I have mentioned before: IIP Signing key? (nag, nag) --> Ehud (~hezekiah@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev IIP notification service :) for ppl to knoe I /him is online LOL just as a question for the qurious... what defines the holder for "Trent"... and what about channel/nick expiration... registration that is... <-- ChZEROHag has quit (Ping timeout) trent is a service, not a nick, so trent must have access to the ircd (i think) these questions are mids questions for trent, he's an abstract piece yes jrand0m iip notification would be cool. how does anonymail do it? can clients send a /notify nick to the server and get a msg when the nick joins? IIP SMS notification LOL actually we did have IIP SMS as the first version of anonymail but it tended to flood oh so now we do it as anonymail database delivery IIP invitation msg as signature to ordinary e-mails ... Kinda " Do yo Yahoo ? Get MSN free " stuff ooOOoo textAds but does iip need more users? oh or is getting more users just a "oh cool, lets service more people"? no dunno i just brainstorm <-- Mira has quit (Ping timeout) More people ... more ideas ... more volunteers IIP as world standart will be cool More people ... more problems ... more strain on the network ... ... more floods of #anonymous ... It's a two sided question. more channels lol --> Mira (~Mira@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev IIP Eugenics Program LOL Less Population Less Problems --> ChZEROHag (~hag@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev hmm... going back to the notification question... is it so the /notify nick does not work here? Or am I not understanding the question... Addic: sure it works well what's the problem then? ? <-- Delly has quit (EOF From client) wasn't much following the conversation, but they talked about having a /notify that wouldn't require the client to poll ok <-- ChZEROHag has quit (Ping timeout) <-- w has quit (Ping timeout) <-- Rain has quit (I Quit) --> w (~w@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev Hmmm ... I think it's about time we adjurne this meeting. What do you say, nop? * jrand0m thinks he fell asleep too yeah ok later <-- jrand0m (jrandom@anon.iip) has left #iip-dev (jrand0m) Meeting adjurned! :) *BAF*! <-- Addic (anon@anon.iip) has left #iip-dev (Addic) <-- LeerokLacerta (~leerok@anon.iip) has left #iip-dev (Client Exiting) <-- hezekiah has quit (Client Exiting) <-- Ehud has quit (Client Exiting)