Quick recap
Present: DrWoo, duck, fidd, human, jar, jrand0m, kaji, li, lucky, madman2003, mihi, Newsbyte, wilde
Meeting Log
<human> baffled: we’re experimenting a psychic communication towards jrand0m, to ask him to be here for the meeting <human> baffled: just focus your mind on him, and help us > Don’t we have to hold hands or something like that? <human> baffled: if it helps you focusing your mind… well, yes > Cool, gimme your hand I’m commensing to focus! <UL > <li> human gives his hand to baffled </UL> human has changed the topic on channel #i2p to I2P meeting: hold the hand of your neighbour, focus your mind on jrand0m, and ask him to come here thecrypto (~thecrypto@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p <UL > <li> baffled whipes the sacred potato-chip oil off his fingers and takes humans hand. </UL> <DrWoo<a href=“iip-wiki?action=edit&id=DrWoo” class=wikipageedit>?</a>> human: doesn’t he make up a pre meeting agenda, you can grab that and direct the meeting <human> DrWoo<a href=“iip-wiki?action=edit&id=DrWoo” class=wikipageedit>?</a>: er… why me? Rain (Rain@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p <human> DrWoo<a href=“iip-wiki?action=edit&id=DrWoo” class=wikipageedit>?</a>: (i didn’t see any meeting agenda, though) <DrWoo<a href=“iip-wiki?action=edit&id=DrWoo” class=wikipageedit>?</a>> human: why not, you’re sober <wilde> let’s make an agenda ourselves <DrWoo<a href=“iip-wiki?action=edit&id=DrWoo” class=wikipageedit>?</a>> yeah you guys know the general issues <wilde> there are many topics to discuss <UL > <li> human will direct the meeting in exchange of the sacrifice of the first daughter of every participant </UL> <wilde> funding, strategy, marketing, website, recruiting more developers and powerusers, etc <human> wilde: i agree, we could informally talk about the recent history of I2P <DrWoo<a href=“iip-wiki?action=edit&id=DrWoo” class=wikipageedit>?</a>> wilde: open a text window and quickly make a numbered agenda <UL > <li> human agrees with wilde </UL> > As the first item don’t we need to add massive responsibilites to jrandom in absentia? Signoff: wilde (Ping timeout) Signoff: ion (Ping timeout) <UL > <li> human agrees with baffled, too </UL> wilde (~anon@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p <wilde> back > you’re the first to say anything your in charge. <wilde> who? me? jar (jar@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p > quit looking surprised. <DrWoo<a href=“iip-wiki?action=edit&id=DrWoo” class=wikipageedit>?</a>> you guys are funny :) > hey jar. <jar> ’lo baffled :) <jar> ’lo i2p ! ion (ion@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p <UL > <li> human started logging the meeting (or whatever it will be) </UL> > We elected wild to run the meeting because he was the first to say anything after meeting time. <wilde> ok jrand0m (jrand0m@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p <wilde> 1. Hello <wilde> 2. Status I2P <wilde> 3. How to help I2P Project <wilde> 4. Recruiting more developers <wilde> 5. Raising money (donations, selling t-shirts) <wilde> 6. General discussion <human> jrand0m: has appeared!!! <wilde> hey jrand0m! > I’ll take a t-shirt. <human> our experiment succeeded!!! <jrand0m> shit thought I missed it :) <UL > <li> jrand0m leaves the floor to wilde ;) </UL> > You better look back through the log jrandom. <wilde> ok boss you could modify the agenda as you like <jrand0m> <a href=“http://i2p.dnsalias.net/pipermail/i2p/2004-February/000144.html">http://i2p.dnsalias.net/pipermail/i2p/2004-February/000144.html</a> <UL > <li> jrand0m just posted </UL> > Are the t-shirts good? <jrand0m> they had better be <UL > <li> jrand0m apologizes for being late, been avoiding looking at the monitor today (killer headache) </UL> > No apology necessary or expected. <wilde> np, we prepared an emergency plan <wilde> everyone taking a job at McDonalds<a href=“iip-wiki?action=edit&id=McDonalds” class=wikipageedit>?</a> and hiring indian programmers for the money Signoff: ion (Ping timeout) <jrand0m> hah nice <jrand0m> perhaps we can jump into that agenda, or are we on 1, 2, 3, 6? <wilde> 0. <wilde> 1. Hello <wilde> Hello I2P <fidd> hi <jrand0m> hi <jar> hi <kaji> ah, i made it <wilde> last hellos? going once, going twice… <kaji> hi > Which agenda the one you posted or the oone wild posted? <jrand0m> perhaps I can help out with agenda 2) status <wilde> 2. Status I2P <jrand0m> the router, as is, is nonfunctional <wilde> so how are we post-testnet? > can we cote on that? <jrand0m> post testnet, yes, but I introduced two bugs in the process > vote. <jrand0m> vote on whether its nonfunctional? > Right. <UL > <li> jrand0m wonders if we vote hard enough it’ll be functional again </UL> <kaji> its dead for me > oh, nevermind. > well, we held hands and you appeared. <jrand0m> hey, worth a shot ;) <UL > <li> jrand0m starts a bug-excorcism seance </UL> > does that make them bogobugs? <UL > <li> DrWoo<a href=“iip-wiki?action=edit&id=DrWoo” class=wikipageedit>?</a> sprinkles dried blood on the floor <li> jrand0m senses that this chant will cause the bugs to dissapear in the next day or two, with an email going out to i2p@ once its ready </UL> > oh wooooow! <kaji> i switched to j2sdk1.4.2_03 to get ant to work on XP, i wonder how much of and effect it has on the router not working <wilde> so there’s a short i2p vacation <jrand0m> none, I use that build on xp <jrand0m> the bug is programmer error, probably a trivial one too <jrand0m> (but quite fatal) <jrand0m> right wilde <jrand0m> but after that, I’ve been making a bunch of progress on the docs for 0.2.5 and 0.3 <jrand0m> so I don’t think they’ll be a full two weeks out <jrand0m> but we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. <wilde> nice, any application improvments anyone? <jrand0m> one idea - on the testnet, we focused a lot on irc and echo, more than eepsites <UL > <li> wilde notes in the black book who hasn’t done todays homework, a cool I2P application </UL> > Do you think they suffered for that? I certainly do. <jrand0m> having lots of clients (aka destinations) on a single router increases the load, and we may want to think about trimming down our test scope, perhaps <jrand0m> there’s also a discussion wrt perhaps revisiting the keysize of the crypto to reduce the load (for another day after we have more metrics, etc) Signoff: Robert (Ping timeout) > What do you consider a lot of clients on one router? <jrand0m> I dont know, I would like once 0.2.4.x is out and usable that we can use both IRC and eepsites <jrand0m> that depends on the computer <wilde> so what’s best for now? eepsites or irc? <UL > <li> jrand0m wants both, and we will have both functional in the mid and long run </UL> <jrand0m> anyway, we can see as 0.2.4.x comes out. perhaps both will be fine again. <wilde> yeah but what’s most useful for debugging? continous connections or sporadic ones? <jrand0m> both ;) <wilde> lighweight irc, or eep graphics? <jrand0m> i2p needs to support long term streaming connections and short term bursty ones <kaji> what about heavy long downloads? <jrand0m> right, long term streaming connections <jrand0m> (though I do think filesharing over i2p would best be served with i2psnark via messages, ala udp) <wilde> the question really is: you suggested narrowing the test scope, was that to IRC or EEP? <wilde> (or something else) <jrand0m> two or three clients will be fine, I just know that running 4+ services may be a bit of an overload for the time being (depending on people’s computer) lucky (~lucky@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p <wilde> ok, that’s probably wise <jrand0m> anyone have any dev status for client apps? <wilde> so the focus should be on services that can us some statistics, like the irc scripts <jrand0m> that is definitely key. Newsbyte (~fredisdea@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p <jrand0m> woah <jrand0m> hi Newsbyte <Newsbyte> ah, jran <UL > <li> wilde looks at the clock and at Newsbyte, late arrival, that will cost you an apple </UL> <Newsbyte> huh? <Newsbyte> I never come here <jrand0m> also, the echo server and client app is great at gathering stats, and doesn’t have any irc-specific dependencies. <wilde> nothing <Newsbyte> besides, what’s an I2P meeting without nop? ;-) <DrWoo<a href=“iip-wiki?action=edit&id=DrWoo” class=wikipageedit>?</a>> wilde: heh somehow I dont think hes here for the meeting :) <human> would an eepsite monitoring tool be useful? <Newsbyte> no nop, no meeting <UL > <li> Newsbyte can summarise </UL> <wilde> jrand0m: is there something else you’d like to have statistics in the network? <jrand0m> human> certainly - perhaps some way to do periodic pings of eepsites, maybe keeping track of changes even? <human> jrand0m: keeping track of what changes? <jrand0m> I think with the irc scripts giving us long term disconnect / reliability stats, plus the echo app giving us latency, the only thing left is really throughput <jrand0m> content on the page changing <Newsbyte> yes, and use more then one server <wilde> a kb/s meter, I2P Pirate Radio someone? <jrand0m> hmm? right, when the net is up we usually have between 4-10 servers <human> jrand0m: it’s doable but… how would you use the content change information? <kaji> i ran a shoutcast stream for a while <jrand0m> human> that particular aspect wouldn’t help me, but would let users use the test (which would tell them whats changed, as well as get them to run the test more [generate more traffic]) <jrand0m> nice kaji <jrand0m> yeah, aum’s streams were up periodically as well <human> jrand0m: oh, ok, now i understand <mihi> jrand0m: a chargen service? ;) <madman2003> bye everyone, good luck with i2p <wilde> so throuhput is one stat that would be interesting/useful <jrand0m> later madman2003 <wilde> cya madman2003 Signoff: madman2003 (..12(. www...nnscript...de .12.::. .N.o.N.ame.S.cript 3…8 .12.::. www...XLhost...de. .12.).) > Well, I have another meeting at five as usual so I’ll bbl. Remember to put me down for a t-shirt. <jrand0m> yes mihi, that’d work (but streaming .ogg sounds cooler) baffled (~kirk@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p mrflibble (mrflibble@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p -Trent@anon.iip- The nickname baffled is not registered Ocelot (~Ocelot@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p Rain (~Rain@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p nickthief61599 (~chatzilla@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p lucky (~lucky@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p backup (~ypo@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p Sonax (~Sonax@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p jar (jar@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p wilde (~anon@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p Signoff: backup (Ping timeout) <wilde> hey <wilde> is the network unstable? <wilde> I just couldn’t get back on Signoff: thecrypto (Leaving) <lucky> yea <lucky> its a bit… ugh. <lucky> recently. <wilde> what happened to the meeting? <lucky> probably got decimated <wilde> ok lucky what was the last thing you saw from the meeting? (msg me) <lucky> <wilde> cya madman2003 <lucky> <– madman2003 has quit (( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript<a href=“iip-wiki?action=edit&id=NoNameScript” class=wikipageedit>?</a> 3.8 :: www.XLhost.de )) <lucky> <jrand0m> yes mihi, that’d work (but streaming .ogg sounds cooler) Galaxy (yogi@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p <wilde> ok that’s where it ended for me too <fidd> me2 Signoff: Sonax (EOF From client) Sonax (~Sonax@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p <kaji> the meeting got nuked kaji has changed the topic on channel #i2p to nuked <kaji> ping? <jar> pong! <kaji> ok <kaji> ithough it crashed again <jar> yep :( Signoff: wilde () <kaji> so… meeting? <jar> ending brutaly … <jar> more signs of jrandom, it seems it’s all for the moment <jar> next move on 0.2.4.2 in few days …. <jar> (one or two as said jr) mihi_backup (~mihi@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p jar is now known as jar_ sheer (sheer@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p <kaji> wilde said something about funding, but last time i asked jran he said i2p wasnt in a position to need money atm Signoff: Ranma () Robert (~chatzilla@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p Sonax is now known as JaSiger<a href=“iip-wiki?action=edit&id=JaSiger” class=wikipageedit>?</a> JaSiger<a href=“iip-wiki?action=edit&id=JaSiger” class=wikipageedit>?</a> is now known as Sonax Signoff: Rain (I Quit) zathras (~zathras@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p Ranma (ranma@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p mihi (mihi@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p <mihi> hmm, what happened to the meeting? <UL > <li> mihi has an idea </UL> <mihi> ;) Mode change “+o mihi” on channel #i2p by Trent@anon.iip Mode change “-o duck” on channel #i2p by mihi <mihi> no one knowing anything about the meeting? <UL > <li> mihi notices that no one fears ops any longer ;) </UL> Signoff: zathras (Ping timeout) mihi_backup has been kicked off channel #i2p by mihi (mihi) zathras (~zathras@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p Signoff: Sonax (Client exiting) <lucky> mihi, we lall got kicked for the meoeting hacktic4ever (~hacktic4e@anon.iip) has joined channel #i2p Signoff: hacktic4ever () <mihi> ok, nite <duck> hello Signoff: sheer (EOF From client) Signoff: mihi (let’s have more luck next week…) <duck> did I miss anything? 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