I2P Dev Meeting - August 10, 2004

14:04 <jrandom> 0) hi 14:04 <jrandom> 1) 0.3.4.1 status 14:04 <jrandom> 2) Updated docs 14:04 <jrandom> 3) 0.4 progress 14:04 <jrandom> 4) ??? 14:04 <jrandom> 0) hi 14:04 * jrandom waves 14:04 <jrandom> weekly status notes just posted a few seconds ago @ http://dev.i2p.net/pipermail/i2p/2004-August/000404.html 14:04 <deer> <mrflibble> ooh 14:04 * jrandom will give y'all a sec to pull those up ;) 14:05 <jrandom> anyway, while y'all are reading, might as well swing into 1) 0.3.4.1 status 14:05 <jrandom> 0.3.4.1 is out, as you've seen 14:06 <jrandom> its only been a day or two though, but its generally seemed to be going pretty well, at least, up through a few hours ago 14:07 <jrandom> there are a pair of bugs just recently tracked down (and fixed locally, testing ongoing), and those are pretty substantial, so we'll be seeing a new release in a day or two 14:07 <jrandom> has anyone had any problems with the new web console? 14:07 <jrandom> (or, more specifically, has anyone tried it and had problems? :)( 14:07 <deer> <oOo> Tried it, work well ^^ 14:07 <jrandom> w3rd 14:08 <deer> <oOo> Even without any Java compiler ^^ 14:08 <jrandom> nice, yeah, it should precompile all the JSPs so people won't need javac 14:08 <jrandom> thats one thing that web app devs will need to do, but its really really easy, especially with ant 14:09 <jrandom> (template code to do it is in i2p/apps/routerconsole/java/build.xml in the 'precompilejsp' target) 14:09 <deer> <identiguy> jrandom, what are your concerns about outproxies? 14:09 <jrandom> i've also added in optional basic HTTP authentication to protect the console, so you'll be able to have it listen on 0.0.0.0 and access it remotely 14:10 <jrandom> oh, my concerns w/ outproxies are threefold - the cost (technical and social) of maangement, the security (outproxies get cleartext), and the anonymity (when you leave a mixnet, you are much more vulnerable to attack) 14:10 <deer> <oOo> The servlet console misses a few stats from :7655 (memory consumption), and may some other stuff (shitlist), but it's great ^^ 14:11 <deer> <identiguy> Thanks. Just wondering. 14:11 <jrandom> "private" outproxies are different though - e.g. an anonymizer.i2p could work great without requiring trust 14:11 <jrandom> (but still limiting access to pseudonymously known clients, etc) 14:12 <jrandom> ah right oOo, I'm going to add in a new page that mirrors the old one 14:12 <jrandom> or would you suggest a new page for more stats? could you draft up what you'd like it to look like? 14:12 <jrandom> (or even code it? :) 14:12 <deer> <oOo> Well, it could have been left as an exrcercice for the reader ;) 14:12 <jrandom> lol 14:13 <deer> <oOo> I was only thinking of memory consumption (on main page) and a Shitlist tab, that's all _I_ miss 14:13 <deer> <oOo> Might need to add shitlist reason to shitlisting, BTW ;) 14:13 <jrandom> we could probably toss the detailed shitlist into the peer profile page 14:14 <jrandom> we dont actually keep track of that right now, but you're right, we could and it'd be nice 14:14 <deer> <oOo> IMHO the peer profile page is too big to be really usefull :*) 14:14 <deer> <oOo> And easy to do, every code to .addshitlist() stuff have good comments just the next line ;) 14:14 <jrandom> any suggestions on improvement? 14:15 <jrandom> heh :) 14:15 <jrandom> (the netDb page imho is pretty nasty) 14:16 <jrandom> hi fvw 14:16 <fvw> heyas jrandom, everyone. 14:16 <jrandom> ok, well, if anyone has any more suggestions for the web side, please let me know 14:16 <jrandom> this new web console is really just a first pass at things, and most of my attention has been paid to the configuration side 14:17 <jrandom> ok, anyone have anything else to bring up wrt 0.3.4.1? 14:17 <jrandom> ok, moving on to 2) Updated docs 14:17 <jrandom> [see email for list of updated pages] 14:18 <jrandom> we've finally gotten all the details out of the paypal/e-gold accts as well (sorry for the delay!) 14:19 <cervantes> w00t 14:19 <jrandom> another aspect of the docs not mentioned is what we should ship with the router - on the new web console, we can easily package up any html / jsp files to serve as context sensitive help 14:19 <cervantes> sheeeit....did I really donate all that 14:20 <jrandom> cervantes definitely gets the cervantes++ this week :) 14:20 <cervantes> must have miscounted my foreign currency ;-) 14:20 <jrandom> lol 14:20 * fvw cheers for cervantes. 14:20 <jrandom> mos def 14:20 <cervantes> btw I've found an old stash of hungarian dollars.... 14:21 <jrandom> lol do you keep these under your mattress or something? 14:21 <cervantes> or forints .. 14:21 <cervantes> I always overestimate my holiday spending ;-) 14:21 <jrandom> heh 14:22 <fvw> hmm, forints. How odd. 14:22 * fvw mumbles "forinti=0..." 14:23 <jrandom> (no wonder hungarian notation doesn't use 'i') 14:23 <jrandom> </derail> 14:23 <fvw> hehe. Yes, getting back on track. New docs. very pretty. 14:23 <jrandom> w3rd 14:23 <deer> <kling> g`evening 14:24 <jrandom> there is still much to be cleaned up, so hopefully people can take a page or two and give it a once over, sending in your results / updates 14:24 <jrandom> hi kling 14:24 <jrandom> ok, anything else wrt docs? 14:24 <fvw> pweh 14:25 <jrandom> if not, moving on to 3) 0.4 progress 14:25 <fvw> perhaps not totally on topic, but the download page needs some work too. 14:25 <jrandom> ah 14:25 <jrandom> yeah 14:25 <deer> <oOo> Missings Bounties deatails ? ;) 14:25 <jrandom> that particular page i'm not /too/ worried about, since it'll all be changing with the new installer, so we'll have to rewrite it anyway 14:25 <fvw> I'll kick it a bit and ask the necessary questions on the mailinglist. 14:25 <jrandom> r0x0r fvw 14:25 <fvw> oh, ok. Then I won't,. 14:26 <deer> <kling> router still up nothing special to report Uptime 32h 14:26 <jrandom> yeah, we'll still have some of that info, but most will change 14:26 <jrandom> nice kling - are you on 0.3.4.1 or 0.3.4? 14:26 <deer> <kling> .1 14:26 <jrandom> oOo: unfortunately, we lost most of the details pages 14:27 <jrandom> but you're right, we need some filler there 14:27 <deer> <oOo> Ok, too bad but can live without them ^^ 14:27 <jrandom> or to remove the links 14:27 <jrandom> that also reminds me that aum is now working on a DHT, and it seems Nightblade isn't anymore 14:27 <jrandom> (so the distributed data store 'dev' should be updated) 14:29 <jrandom> ok, anway, the 0.4 stuff is coming along - i smacked around a 100 router sim the other day with a few different bandwidth loads, and it held up pretty well 14:29 <jrandom> also fixed a nasty bug in kaffe's jthread scheduler, but there is still some funkiness on fbsd there (but not on linux) 14:30 <jrandom> i dont know how things are coming with the installer.. 14:30 <jrandom> but i do recall hypercubus working on it today, so i'm sure we'll find out more when more is ready to be found out 14:31 <deer> <oOo> Hehe 14:31 <jrandom> does anyone have any questions / concerns / suggestions wrt the 0.4 rev? 14:31 <deer> <oOo> "When ?" J/K ;) 14:32 <jrandom> we really don't have much more to add to the code before its ready for 0.4 14:32 <jrandom> (but its not like 0.4 is the end game, we've got a truckload more to do after it) 14:32 <deer> <oOo> To Infinity and Beyond ! 14:32 <jrandom> exactly ;) 14:33 <jrandom> ok, I guess thats all I've got to bring up, so 4) ??? 14:33 <jrandom> anyone have anything they want to discuss? 14:33 <deer> <oOo> i2pcvs.i2p revival ? 14:34 <jrandom> yeah, i should probably start that up again 14:34 <jrandom> probably will once we bundle the new router console as primary, with the i2ptunnel.cfg 14:35 <deer> <oOo> Ok, thanks 14:36 <jrandom> ok, if there's nothing else... 14:36 * jrandom winds up 14:36 * jrandom *baf*s the meeting closed