I2P Dev Meeting - November 07, 2006

15:09 <jrandom> 0) hi 15:09 <jrandom> 1) Net status 15:09 <jrandom> 2) Syndie dev status 15:09 <jrandom> 3) I2Phex mods 15:09 <jrandom> 4) ??? 15:09 <jrandom> 0) hi 15:09 * jrandom waves 15:10 <jrandom> weekly status notes up @ http://dev.i2p.net/pipermail/i2p/2006-November/001317.html 15:10 * spaetz waves back 15:10 <mrflibble> cool, i was the only one in #i2p-dev a minute ago :) 15:10 <jrandom> hehe 15:10 <jrandom> yeah, the i2p-dev chan migration didn't last too long ;) 15:10 <jrandom> ok, lets jump into 1) Net status 15:11 <spaetz> ad 1) net seems stable 15:11 <spaetz> however, as you noted, reseeding is needed every 7 days or so 15:11 <jrandom> aye, 'tis unfortunate, and fixable 15:12 <jrandom> though the kludge fix is kind of ugly, and the long term fix is pretty involved 15:12 <spaetz> yep, that would be nice. My firewall is too tight for reseeding 15:12 <jrandom> damn, doesn't allow outbound http to dev.i2p.net? 15:12 <spaetz> I need to poke additional holes in it :-) 15:13 <spaetz> jrandom: outbound yes, but all the reply data gets stopped by default :-) 15:13 <spaetz> but that OT. go on. 15:14 <jrandom> lol ok, interesting 15:14 <jrandom> its something that needs to get addressed, though its not on my do-immediately pile 15:15 <jrandom> i dont really have much more to add to 1).. anyone have anything else they want to bring up re: net status? 15:15 <spaetz> I get disconnected on IRC every 1-2 hours 15:15 <spaetz> but I would call that stable :-) 15:16 <spaetz> ok, on to 2) 15:16 <jrandom> heh cool, 2) it is 15:17 <jrandom> lots of progress on this front 15:17 <spaetz> Is the new Syndie going to be integrated into i2p when it goes gold? 15:18 <jrandom> hmm, if you mean bundled with, i'm not sure. if you mean capable of seamlessly using, yes, definitely 15:19 <spaetz> I actually meant bundled. I2p seems to come "with batteries included" 15:19 <jrandom> the reason i'm not sure is that syndie will weigh a good deal (swt native libs, translations, spellcheck dictionaries, etc) 15:19 <jrandom> we will have an option to bundle them, certainly 15:20 <jrandom> and maybe that'll be the most common download 15:20 <spaetz> ok, I'm for an optional install then. alright. 15:21 <jrandom> bundling the text UI is certainly doable without a doubt, thats quite lightweight 15:22 <spaetz> that might be good enough to tease people 15:22 <spaetz> SOme might want to run the gui on a different machine than their i2p peer anyway 15:22 <spaetz> (I will) 15:23 <jrandom> word 15:23 <jrandom> ok, some teaser images for the gui dev status: 15:23 <jrandom> html rendering: http://dev.i2p.net/~jrandom/mockup/render_snap.webp 15:23 <jrandom> forum tree: http://dev.i2p.net/~jrandom/mockup/syndie_refchooser.webp 15:23 <jrandom> message tree / filter: http://dev.i2p.net/~jrandom/mockup/syndie_msgchooser.webp 15:24 <jrandom> (the html rendering has been seen before, and the reference chooser may have been, and the message chooser was just implemented last night ;) 15:25 <jrandom> there'll be lots of little add-ons, but i'm focusing on first getting gui message generation in place 15:25 <jrandom> (which requires being able to browse forums and messages anyway, to pick links) 15:26 <spaetz> cool 15:26 <spaetz> although the beauty of syndie was its seamless integration through the web interface 15:26 <spaetz> but I bet that would be possible to implement 15:27 <jrandom> well, a web interface would technically be possible, but it would have all the security issues of the browser plus all the problems for interactive content that javascript/etc can cause 15:28 <spaetz> mmh, I see the hell you'd get into. I remember the corresponding freenet discussions a few years back 15:28 <jrandom> technically, we can pull in the mozilla engine to do html rendering with the SWT Browser widget, but doing so just isn't safe 15:29 <jrandom> aye, exactly 15:29 <jrandom> (and what, 5-8 years on, they still just found another security hole in their filter the other week) 15:30 <jrandom> ((my point is not that their filter isn't great, its that doing the filter is insanely dangerous)) 15:30 <spaetz> ok, if there's a document "syndie for dummies" I'd give it a shot. (the text UI). IS the manual the right document for this? 15:30 <spaetz> It seemed a bit specific already 15:31 <jrandom> ah - check out Complication2's post: http://forum.i2p.net/viewtopic.php?t=1935 15:31 <spaetz> ok, thanks. 15:31 <jrandom> that's getting wrapped up into a page for the syndie site, but isn't up yet 15:32 <spaetz> ok, that's great. all I needed 15:34 <jrandom> cool. ok, thats about it for gui stuff atm 15:34 <jrandom> there's a little teaser for the p2p folks in the status notes regarding a swarming syndication system 15:35 <jrandom> thats an area quite ripe for playing around in, for those who'd like to do some network hacking 15:36 <jrandom> but, thats just a side note 15:36 <jrandom> ok, if there's nothing else on 2) syndie dev status, lets jump over to 3) i2phex mods 15:36 <jrandom> Complication2: wanna give us the rundown? 15:38 <jrandom> or, if you're not here, those of y'all interested can check the status notes for my synopsis 15:39 <spaetz> mmh, gone fishin' 15:39 <jrandom> ok, lets jump on over to 4) ??? 15:39 <jrandom> anyone have anything else to bring up for the meeting? 15:39 * mrflibble sticks his hand up 15:40 <spaetz> nahh, looking forward to see (the new) Syndie getting more useful 15:40 <mrflibble> on http://dev.i2p.net/pipermail/i2p/2006-November/001317.html, what does "hi y'all, good luck with the subpoena power" mean exactly? 15:40 <spaetz> will the first codename be "will the real Syndie please stand up?" :-) 15:41 <jrandom> mrflibble: http://www.electoral-vote.com:2006/ 15:41 <jrandom> hehe spaetz 15:41 <mrflibble> oh! 15:41 * bar impregnates a ballot 15:43 <jrandom> (not that the democrats would be any better for the world, but the ability to subpoena the us president via congressional investigations would likely throw a few wrenches into the war machine for a bit) 15:44 <jrandom> ok, anyone have anything else for the meeting? 15:45 <jrandom> if not... 15:46 * jrandom winds up 15:46 * jrandom *baf*S the meeting closed