I2P Dev Meeting - February 19, 2013

20:25:01 <KillYourTV> Perhaps I'm in the minority but I think that if there are going to be meetings they *really* should start on time. 20:25:24 <inscrutus> Indeed 20:26:31 <KillYourTV> Not starting until 30-60 minutes after it _should have started_ looks bad, especially to outsiders that may be watching from the relayed networks. 20:27:21 <inscrutus> I don't remember who chaired last time. Are we waiting for him? 20:28:11 <lillith> ^this 20:28:28 <lillith> inscrutus: dg is often late 20:32:22 <hottuna> KillYourTV, yeah. I agree 20:33:01 <lillith> we could just start without dg, if anyone wants to just go for it 20:36:27 <inscrutus> I believe ipv6 was one topic left over from last meeting... 20:50:56 <dg> It was. 20:51:07 <dg> Most of it can't be done without zzz though, or str4d 20:52:25 * dg apologizes for being late - been out of it 20:52:40 <dg> Topics were/are: 20:52:43 <dg> * Syndie documentation (lillith) 20:52:43 <dg> * Mailing list (meeh) 20:52:43 <dg> * Feeds (str4d) 20:52:43 <dg> * Thoughts (anyone) 20:52:54 <dg> Meeh, lillith? 20:53:03 <dg> if you guys aren't here.. shit. 21:18:01 <Meeh> dg: I'm here now, sorry 21:18:20 <dg> np, is lillith? 21:18:23 <dg> I'm sorry, not you ;) 21:18:27 <Meeh> dunno 21:18:49 <inscrutus> lillith was, about 45m ago 21:18:49 <lillith> i am 21:19:08 <inscrutus> I stand corrected 21:20:10 <dg> \o 21:20:22 <dg> Hi all, sorry for delay 21:20:42 <dg> lillith is going to be speaking about Syndie doumentation 21:21:35 <lillith> is this my cue or are we having a full schedule first? 21:21:49 <dg> I've given the full one ;) 21:21:52 <dg> maybe it was lost 21:21:59 <dg> <+dg> Topics were/are: 21:21:59 <dg> <+dg> * Syndie documentation (lillith) 21:21:59 <dg> <+dg> * Mailing list (meeh) 21:21:59 <dg> <+dg> * Feeds (str4d) 21:21:59 <dg> <+dg> * Thoughts (anyone) 21:21:59 <dg> <+dg> Meeh, lillith? 21:22:02 <dg> <+dg> if you guys aren't here.. shit. 21:22:21 <lillith> ahh okay :) 21:22:24 <inscrutus> I saw it via kytv relay only.... 21:23:10 <lillith> right well since zzz and others have put so much work into syndie, i feel it is a shame that it is still so unused 21:24:01 <lillith> and since the gui is.. challenging for a begginer, i thought it may be a good idea to write/update the docs 21:24:47 <lillith> so now myself, KillYourTV, and aargh are working on a wiki 21:25:17 <lillith> hosted at *i don't have the b32 handy* 21:25:19 <dg> Wiki for exclusively Sundie? 21:25:23 <dg> s/Sundie/Syndie 21:25:54 <lillith> since it is a wiki i/we would appreciate if everyone could have a look and fix it if needed 21:26:01 <lillith> yes 21:26:16 <Meeh> I'm trying to make a map over the syndie archives at http://wiki.meeh.i2p/doku.php?id=syndie:known_archives 21:26:24 <iRelay> Title: syndie:known_archives [wiki.meeh.i2p] (at wiki.meeh.i2p) 21:26:43 <lillith> so, please do have a play on syndie and report back on f you feel the beginners guide is suitable for a short intro 21:26:50 <dg> A column for default or not may be useful 21:27:25 <dg> alright :) 21:27:44 <lillith> the current documentation is ufinished, so anthing we do is an improvement 21:28:27 <lillith> also KillYourTV: i assume the plan is to export the wiki into the official website at some point, is that correct and if so who do i need to speak to? 21:30:10 <lillith> Meeh: a column for filtering/blocking policy might be useful too 21:30:25 <Meeh> ok, but I don't know what to fill in there 21:31:03 <dg> ask around I suppose 21:31:26 <Meeh> gonna do it 21:31:53 <dg> thanks for giving Syndie some love lillith 21:32:01 <lillith> i'l tell you mine later, not here now :) 21:32:31 <inscrutus> lillith: is this the wiki b32? http://fomjl7cori4juycw55kdlczpgzzhme6nox6zykokuiov6t5lxhvq.b32.i2p/user_guide/ 21:32:34 <iRelay> Title: Syndie Handbook (at fomjl7cori4juycw55kdlczpgzzhme6nox6zykokuiov6t5lxhvq.b32.i2p) 21:33:02 <lillith> dg: it's actually pretty good, even if it is buggy. 21:33:23 <lillith> inscrutus: it is :) thanks 21:33:54 <KillYourTV> lillith: yes, once finished all documentation will ultimately end up on the 'official' syndie site (for now http://www.syndie.i2p/wiki/ will redirect to the wiki page) 21:33:57 <iRelay> Title: Syndie Documentation Project (at www.syndie.i2p) 21:35:14 <inscrutus> Ok, what's next, dg? 21:35:17 <lillith> so unless anyone else has anything to say on this, i can *baf* this topic :) 21:35:20 <dg> Meeh 21:35:31 <dg> (with mailing list) 21:35:43 <dg> lillith: thx :) - I'm enjoying reading the introduction 21:36:02 <dg> Meeh: Want to take the floor? 21:36:41 <Meeh> IIRC I'm waiting for weltende because I needed access to the router console for creating tunnels for making mailing list available inside i2p 21:37:42 <Meeh> and, we need to start to use it 21:38:36 <inscrutus> Is it a -dev mailinglist? Or just general i2p? 21:38:39 <dg> zzz and user said they were going to hold off until an inner-i2p presence appeared 21:38:42 <Meeh> both 21:38:56 <inscrutus> ok 21:39:04 <Meeh> ok 21:39:25 <Meeh> weltende: any chance for creating tunnels for the mailing list? 21:39:25 <Meeh> soon 21:41:01 <lillith> Meeh: what is the intention for the mailing list? as in compared to zzz.i2p or irc or syndie 21:41:37 <str4d2> apologies for absence - internet fail 21:42:00 <dg> str4d :) 21:42:11 <Meeh> personaly, I'm unsure.. But it seemed liked we came to the conclution that we should start with the mailing list stuff again, as other open source projects do... 21:42:33 <Meeh> don't remember which meeting it was 21:43:08 <inscrutus> Maybe it would be a good idea to mirror the mailing list to Syndie or vice versa. To avoid fragmentation 21:43:23 <str4d2> I'm unavailable in about 15 mins, btw 21:44:10 <Meeh> I like your idea inscrutus 21:44:41 <str4d2> (and can't make this meeting time in future) 21:45:11 <str4d2> that's a nice ideqla 21:45:14 <str4d2> idea* 21:45:53 <dg> It was suggested in the past, I believe it was going to be a part of Syndie anyhow. 21:46:04 <dg> Meeh: Anything more? 21:46:15 * lillith- really needs to remember to plug my laptop in.... reading scrollback on sighup... 21:47:11 <Meeh> no not really, I need to talk with weltende first 21:47:22 <lillith-> inscrutus: that was my next suggestion :) 21:47:41 <dg> Alright. 21:47:44 <inscrutus> :) 21:47:51 <lillith-> i think we could be 'dog-fooding' a little more 21:48:18 <dg> lillith-: ? 21:48:40 <lillith-> about the mailing list/syndie mirrorring 21:48:55 <dg> I'm not familiar with that expression 21:49:47 <lillith-> ahh the dog food principle of open source projects is, basically, use your own software 21:49:50 <inscrutus> it means to use your own product(s). It comes from a dogfood maker whose ceo i believe ate his company's own dogfood to prove it's good 21:50:01 <dg> oh.. to eat our own dog food 21:50:04 <dg> I agree 21:50:15 <lillith-> if we expect others to use it, we should too 21:50:35 <str4d2> Mmm 21:51:01 <str4d2> My problem with Syndie is that I have NFI how to use it 21:51:12 <dg> I need to check it out again 21:51:12 <dg> Anyhow.. 21:51:12 <dg> str4d2: You ok to do feeds now? After $next_thing, perhaps a new meeting time should be discussed. Not everyone is here though.. 21:51:15 <str4d2> The interface is not very intuitive. 21:51:18 <lillith-> str4d2: have you looked at the docs? 21:51:57 <str4d2> Somewhat, but we shouldnt expect users to all do that 21:52:00 <lillith-> dg: surely that is the reason we need a new time... 21:52:30 <dg> kind of. zzz and others are missing due to IRL issues too though - which makes it harder to agree on a new time which works for everyone. 21:53:01 <str4d2> and I'm busynow, sorry 21:53:01 <lillith-> dg: we could have a new temporary time and revisit it in a few weeks. 21:53:38 <lillith-> tues 8.00 isn't great for dg, str4d2, or me 21:55:51 <dg> it doesn't :-/ 22:03:14 <lillith-> has everyone gone to sleep or is that the end of the meeting? 22:03:29 <dg> Apparently sleep.. 22:03:36 <dg> We'll open a thread on zzz.i2p about it? 22:03:39 * lillith- picks up the baffer menacingly 22:03:42 <inscrutus> I'm here, just don't have anything to add to meeting times 22:03:49 <dg> It's just us three. 22:05:25 * dg *bafs the meeting closed 22:05:28 <lillith-> okay well if no-one has anything to add then i'l do the honours 22:05:51 * lillith- *bafs* the meeting 22:06:10 <lillith-> damn you got there first ;)